raisedhe president have the minimum wage or could he have stepped in to this process in a big city like detroit and kept it from going over the brink? the word bailout in washington and see the reaction you would get and that's what it have taken for detroit and they needed a lot of money. -- $18 billion in debt is a lot of money. $9 president proposed a minimum wage. recently the administration's indicated they're in favor of a $10 minimum wage but the $9 one didn't move. there are a lot of people who convinced you raise your income by raising your education your skill level and you'll get a better wage and a lot of people say, look at auto manufacturing. what was inherent about those you would get $27 an cadillac benefit plans. it was the leverage from the unions. gwen: the leverage we're talked about has gone away. pensions andsing making pensions a guarantee is at the heart of a lot of this means people -- what was considered sacrosanct no in exchange for that you're supposed to sacrifice for the greater good. >> on the pensions, the problem is, for private sector workers, they'd go